Yo! Batman! The Problem with Religion is that every True Believer has their own respective opinions and BELIEFS. I have read the Koran by the way, as well as having traveled throughout the Middle East; and agree that the context of the Koran IS very similar to the Jewish Old Testament. Monotheism IS the traditional practice, and hellfire and brimstone are present throughout both Books. Muslims accept Jesus as a Prophet. Christians have so many different Church interpretations of what God says, that there have been countless lives lost and wars fought among Christians over the meanings of Scriptures. The same is true of Muslims, for example the Bahai vs. Shia vs Sunni. That's why the Founding Fathers of the United States SEPARATED Church and State. The problem with you Muslims is that you combine both Church and State, and have ZERO TOLERANCE for any other Faith; unless it pays tribute tax to Muslim Authorities. Muslims place the Koran and the Life-Style prescribed as Mandatory for everyone, and will NOT accept any Government's Laws which conflict with their Faith; including not having any Faith at all. So, Islam is NOT compatible with living life in a free society. There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. I really have to laugh at the Liberal Idiot Women and Men in this Country that encourage the Immigration of Muslims who believe in Sharia Law. They are literally bringing destruction upon their own heads and posterity. Look at the messes in Germany, Holland, France and Sweden! Unless you are willing to assimilate you do NOT belong in the U.S.A. You come into this Country and have the unmitigated GAUL to kick us collectively in the ass for the opportunities (Jobs, Education, and Welfare (food and medical) Benefits you are given!!! If you want to live Sharia, with it's associated religious police, beheadings, and mutilation of womens' private parts; then stay the hell in a Moslem Country. Don't come here and try to force us to bow to Allah. Blessed be his Name. In THIS Country you can change Religions, or have none at all! It's called Freedom. I've been in Mosques and have prayed before the Lanterns of God. Allah IS Yahweh IS Jehovah, and Jesus was an enlightened Son of God in my estimation...which makes me an Infidel to you, worthy of being murdered I suspect. The idea of the Trinity comes from the early Roman Catholic Church doctrines, which was based upon the New Testament...I personally think the U.S.A. should get the hell OUT of Muslim Countries. We the Sheeple have no choice in the matter, because the U.S. Government is controlled by Multi-National Corporations who want access to Middle East Oil. None of these Political or Religious Wars etc. are going to matter if Fukushima is NOT effectively dealt with. Fukushima IS an extinction event unless the entire World mobilizes against it, and soon...Truly, LCDR John Sullivan, USNR
At the time of our prophet, Muslims and Christians lived among each other in peace. The Quran says in Chapter 2:256,
"There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing."
So obviously our religion doesn't tell us to force anyone to become a Muslim. This new thing of forcing people to accept sharia law is obviously something that is being used by the establishment to create chaos.
And the thing you said about paying taxes to Muslim authorities is soo out of context. It has been shown that the only book that is free of contradictions and errors is the quran!
Dear Batman, That's the Problem of Problems my Friend, and a SIGN of the times we are all living in NOW. That Mankind without spiritual instruction is by instinct a Killer Ape! I am personally EMBARRASED by the NEW NORMAL which has been force-fed by the Media/Hollywood/Legal System upon Christian People in the United States. The Publicly Displayed Immorality of Bill Clinton as President, the Stupidity and Treason of Bush in bringing into being the National Security State, and the betrayal of Obama + Supreme Court in bringing about the homosexualization of the Military and National Defense Authorization Act to take away our Rights is an OUTRAGE!! So in once sense, I can understand the contempt practicing Muslims must feel towards Today's "American Values". There IS compulsion in the acceptance of Islam, that's self-evident by the modern-day beheadings/female mutilations we can see on the News any given day. My estimate is that you Muslims readily detect the moral rot in American Society today once you are among us. The Problem for YOU though, is that there are a LOT of people like me; Christians, Buddhists, and Hindus that KNOW History and Human Nature. The Moral Relativism which has taken hold of nearly half of American Society is what has enabled the Peaceful Invasion of our Country by Illegal and Hostile Alien People. SOOO out of context huh? I'll be back with an addendum to this epistle about non-Muslim peoples having to pay Taxes to Muslim authorities. Let's see how much History YOU know... Who delivered the Quran to Muhammad? How Old was his First Wife? How many Wifes did he have? That's going to be an interesting thing too. How many Muslims upon coming here are going to give up having more than one Wife? We have a Religious Group here called Mormans that had some problems with that issue back in the 19th Century...I think that Muhammad WAS a Prophet of God too, but unlike Jesus who was a Man of Peace, Muhammad was like David and/or Samson of the Old Testament a Man of War; or Warrior-Prophet. I have visited and worshipped in Mosques in Tunisia, Egypt, and Turkey. Best Regards, LCDR John Sullivan, USNR
first of all, these beheadings haven't got anything to do with Islam, show me any verse in the Quran that commands Muslims to kill non-believers that haven't done NOTHING to them. Secondly, female genital mutilation is a cultural thing, not an Islamic thing. Eritrea has almost 90% female genital mutilation, it's a Christian country and so is Ethiopia.
C'mon Mr. Batman, Do you think Christian (or any other Religious Killers) Consult their Holy Book(s) before killing somebody? All it takes is the order of an Islamic Fascist Leader for Muslims to kill somebody. Again too, this is self evident by the many Islamic Terrorist incidents/episodes taking place in this Country, and throughout the World. And furthermore, Female Genital Mutilation is something I never heard of until I saw the News Headlines in England, U.S., and Europe. It always involved Muslims. Christians, so far as I know, have not committed these kinds of outrages since the time of the Spanish Inquisition. Hence, I disagree with you that it is a Cultural or Christian Country "thing" as you describe it... Furthermore, this is supposed to be a debate, so answer my Questions that I put to you above; or I will cease to consider you worthy of intellectually engaging. Truly, LCDR John Sullivan, USNR
Ok you have to stop painting everyone with the same brush, just because one retard calls for terror doesn't mean everyone who has something in common with him i.e religion, agrees with him. And about the female genital mutilation, I told you that Eritrea and Ethiopia which are Christian countries do this. There is no non-African Muslim country that does this.
Ok now that that is done, what were your questions?
Mr. Batman, you are correct only in so far as the Practice of Female Genital Mutilation is associated with African Pagan Religious Rituals, that DO predate Islam. However! Muslims throughout Africa including Eritrea and Ethiopia (and the Middle East e.g. Iraq/Yemen) adopted and continued this vile practice during the mid 600s AD and up till the present, due to Islam's emphasis on purity and Marital Fidelity, obviously only on the part of Wives. It is associated with Savage Cultures and Radical Islamic Terror Groups, which have officially no alliance with their respective Nation States. Female Genital Mutilation is associated with the "Hadith" of Muhammed, in which this practice was praised! So although it isn't prescribed by the Koran, Islamic Fanatic and Savage Muslims who practice it don't get a pass with either me; or in my estimate Western Civilization generally. What's good for the Goose is Good for the Muslim Gander! I think that Male Muslims who make their Wives do this should become Eunuchs, thusly they will then enhance their own Spiritual Purity and Fidelity. What do you think about that? Once you answer my questions in the 2nd half of the Paragraph, in my Second entry on this Blog; I will duly inform you about the Muslim Taxation upon Non-Muslims, that they DO allow to live in their Countries... The only way to Peace between Americans and TRUE followers of Islam, is for them to come forward and Police their own people, and give up Islamic Terrorists to appropriate authorities of their Host Countries. Otherwise they should NOT come here, and secretly and/or otherwise support Islamic Terrorists. When all Muslims Pledge to do this in this Country, they will start the process of gaining intelligent Peoples' trust. Here, in MY Country, we separate Church and State. We do not condone Religious Wars any longer. Not in the U.S.A. Once Muslims in this Country universally DO this, then I will raise up my single finger; not to curse but to Greet them as good Citizens and TRUE followers of Islam; and I will loudly proclaim to them, "La illaha il Allah!" and add, "Mahamed Re-soul Allah!" For he is indeed the most Recent Prophet given to the World; who spoke with the Angel Gabriel no less. And YES, I have felt and experienced what Christians call the "Holy Spirit" beneath the Lantern of God. Someday, we can hope that mutual respect and education can bring us a better Country and World.
Truly, Prem Geho (my religious name given to me by a true Sage from India), LCDR John Sullivan USNR
Look, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Yemen are all Muslim countries and the don't practice female genital mutilation that's why I said it's an African problem, not a Muslim problem. At the time of our prophet, non-believers used to call the prophet a liar, magician, a poet but, not once did they criticize him for marrying a 9 yr old or for condoning FGM but, as time changed and people started making their own definition of morality, certain things are considered to be immoral.(Let's end the female genital mutilation thing cuz am tired of saying the same thing over and over ).
Before this debate, you told me that you read the Quran which I don't think is true cuz you don't understand how so many things work. In our religion arrogance and oppression aren't tolerated at all. So if you hear a Muslim saying that they will convert a country to sharia law or convert someone to Islam with force, they are unaware of what Islam teaches. Why was Islam the fastest growing religion at the time of our prophet up until now?
Anyway, enough about Islam. what is your belief?
Well, I think at this interval that we can only agree to disagree; pertaining to the association of Muslims with Female Genital Mutilation. As People see it in this Country, the practice IS associated with Muslims because of what they review in their major sources of News. It doesn't matter to U.S. Citizens generally WHAT Country this Savage Practice is done in, nor the Country's majority/traditional religion being Christian, Islamic, or Hindu etc. The fact remains that It IS associated with Islam in THIS Country USA. Perhaps those AMTV Community Members reviewing our debate can weigh in here with a comment as to whether they agree; or disagree with my perspective. A similar trend exists in associating Islam with Radical Islamic Terrorism, BECAUSE Muslims converted in this Country or outside it; are the People doing it; which will damn Islam until such time as Muslims in this Country ALL of them; reject and expose Terrorists and/or female mutilations/stoning in their midst to U.S. Police and/or other appropriate authorities. Regarding my Belief, I think I already indicated it by the comments made in Arabic in my entry prior to this one... I believe too that it isn't given to we Mortals to understand fully the ways and mysteries of Allah. His Thoughts and Motivations we can only Investigate/research as best we may, Religion being usually a product of where; and to whom we were born... This (U.S.) Society IS so sick, that we cannot produce a Spiritual Teacher/Master; such as a Muhammed, Jesus, or Siddhartha... Hence, we must all Individually make our Pilgrimage to SEEK our God; and individually/FREELY decide if a given Religion/Structure is for us. Respectfully, LCDR John USNR
First of all don't say that the western society is bad. In every community you'll find good and bad people. Secondly, the Quran is the only book with no contradictions and errors so if you wanna debate about it let's go.
Western Society HAS become Bad. Any objective assessment of the Moral Fabric of this Country prior to 1963; (the Year John F. Kennedy was assassinated); in comparison to where we are Today will agree with me...Such a View as mine is NOT popular with the PC Crowd, and Cowards, which are such Chicken-Shits that they can't (MANY of them) or won't even Publicly admit that they voted for Trump! That's why today President Putin has more Moral Authority and Respect in the World; in that he has reinforced Traditional Values in his own Country. This Country has allowed Moral Relativism, Political Correctness, and Tolerance for the Intolerable destroy traditional Judeo-Christian Moral Values and Family... I don't expect you to necessarily understand what I have experienced (this is just one of MANY examples I could refer to), as a Former Boy Scout in the early 1960s in the USA. At the beginning of every Troop Meeting we would as a Group Quote together the Scout Law; which among it's Standard included that a Scout always "On his Honor" be " Reverent; and Morally Straight". God knows, by allowing Homosexuals their License to Marry; the People supporting it have set the Foundation for confusion of this Nation's Children as to their Sexual Identity, as well as serving to destroy the Traditional American Family. The Death Knell leading to the Destruction of Western Societies has always been led historically by these collectively letting Homosexuality out of the Proverbial Closet. Greece and Rome are cases in Point. That's why the Enemies, within and without this Country, are circling the U.S.A.; waiting for the right moment to strike! That being said, You have not to my satisfaction answered my Questions, and you simply are going in Circles; referencing the Book of Koran as being free of all errors as justification for your Views. C'mon, if it truly were so clear and pristine spiritually, why the Conflict between Saudi Arabia and Iran? Is this not an epic Battle for WHO will be the "Strong Horse", in Leading the Islamic Peoples of the World? None the less, I am finished with this pretty much one way so-called Debate; as your Position to MY way of thinking is of a Broken Record, that keeps repeating the same thing... None the less, I feel that I've given you the Key to what Muslims coming into this Country need to do; if they want the Majority of Thinking People to accept them fully as Fellow Citizens. In any case, Muslim Countries and Others like South Koreans, and Mexicans have detected the ROT in this Society; and are taking FULL advantage of it... Truly, Swami Prem Geho